He was a little boy

His name was Marcus, Marcus Fiesel and he was 3 years old. His was a life of labels. He was a “special needs” child. He was reported to have autism. He was reported to have ADHD. He was reported to be neglected. He was a foster child. He was reported to be a “handful”. But in reality, he was a little boy- just a little boy maybe with some problems but like any other children- he had a life ahead of him. And in his short life, he made the newspapers at least twice and his name is now known by many. But he is not here to enjoy his new found fame.

In Jan. of this year Marcus fell out of a 2 nd story window in his home. In April he was found wandering without supervision. And in April authorities removed him from that home due to adverse conditions in the home.

In the foster care system, he was placed in the home of David and Liz Carroll. This all came to the public’s attention again on Aug. 15, when the foster mother reportedly passed out in the park with Marcus and three other young children in her care. Help was quickly at her side. An ambulance was called and she was taken to the hospital, park employees and police officers took charge of her kids. Her husband was called to come to the park to pick them up. Then her husband said that Marcus was with Liz at the park, and he was missing.

Hundreds turned out to search for him. Police used dogs to try to track his movements in the park. But no trace of Marcus was found. And that was part of the puzzle, no trace was found. No one remembered a woman with 4 children in her care. No one remembered a child alone. Dogs found no trace of Marcus’ scent. The park was searched multiple times, even the area around the park was searched. After the search was formally called off, when it was felt that the area have been fully searched, people continued to go to the park to search on their own. There was no trace of Marcus.

After the search was called off, the investigation was continuing. The foster family’s movements that day were tracked, their family, friends and associates were talked to. A search was done at the foster home. The foster mother held a press conference where she begged for anyone who may have seen her in the park with 4 kids to come forward. She talked about the problems that her family had had since Marcus came up missing and the way she felt the community was treating her family negatively. And she also asked for whoever was holding Marcus to please drop him off at a hospital, newspaper office or police station. And said that they had been told that David Carroll had failed a polygraph.

The investigation turned up several things. Liz admittedly had a heart condition. David had been charged with domestic violence in June, but the charges were later dropped. It has been reported that David had bipolar disorder. And there was another adult living in the home. Reportedly David’s girlfriend lived in the home with him and his wife. (she denys living in the home but admits to staying there some). Reportedly David did not work, and the families sole income was children. They had Marcus and another foster child and they babysat for other children. They also had 4 biological children. At least one person has said that David was tired of the children.  

Marcus was found last night. A witness (some say it was the girlfriend Amy Baker) led law enforcement to his body. Allegedly the Carroll were going to a family reunion on Aug. 4 th. But instead of taking Marcus, they restrained him in a closet and left him there. And when they returned on Aug. 6, they found him dead. Reportedly David Carroll had taken his body to an isolated spot where there was the remains of an chimney from a house that had long disintegrated. And there he incinerated his body.

David and Liz Carroll have each been charged with involuntary manslaughter and two counts of child endangerment. David Carroll has also been charged with abuse of a corpse. Prosecutor’s say that more charges could be filed later. 

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/NEWS01/608170390

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/08/16/still_missing.html

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9704989/detail.html

http://www.middletownjournal.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/mj082906fieseltimeline.html

http://www.middletownjournal.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/mj082906fieseltimeline.html

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/08/26/marcus.html

Family who attended the reunion have talked with media and say that Marcus’ name wasn’t mentioned there. Friends who saw the couple after the disappearance say that there was no clue from the couple’s actions. Everyone agrees, they never thought that David and Liz Carroll were capable of this. And that everyone includes the agency who placed the Marcus with the family. They say there was a lot the family didn’t report to them, and they say they were conned.

Though David and Liz Carroll have been arrested, this is far from over. The investigation is continuing. Police and prosecutors believe that more people may have known what happened. The contract agency who placed Marcus in the home is also being investigated, and all other placements they made with other children are being reviewed.

I often think of the impact that a crime in the home has on a community. And the impact here is huge. Many people became emotionally invested when the search for Marcus was being conducted. People who go to that park will remember. People who drive by the park will remember. Law enforcement and the people who searched so hard. The prosecutor at one point in the press conference sounded tearful. The foster care system procedures are being questioned. The contract agency is now being investigated. Family and friends of David and Liz Carroll and of Amy Baker are finding it difficult to believe of the people they thought they knew. Of the people they did not believe were capable of this.

One little boy. It is too late for him. But it is not too late for others in the foster care system not only in this state, but in other states. Marcus was not the first. But please, make him the last. Review the foster care systems. Fix what is broken. Make sure that children who are removed from their homes due to abuse or neglect are not victimized again, by the very system who says they are protecting them.

As the investigation continues, the emphasis will shift to blame, who did it, who knew, and who will be charged. Emphasis will go to the trials, the sentencing. Just don’t forget that Marcus was a child, a child with a potential for some type of life. A child who deserved love, care and attention. Who deserved protection from himself and others.

Scared Monkeys has been blogging about the search for Marcus and the arrests of David and Liz Carroll. You can find those posts here and here and here(the now infamous Liz left a comment on the post at the second link):

Anthropologists are studying the ashes to determine if they are actually the remains of Marcus.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/NEWS01/308290014

Video of the foster mother’s press conference, before Marcus was found.

http://www.wkrc.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=C4DF4AD5-9E01-41E8-B624-C724BD3E5B46

Prosecutors speak at a press conference, additional charges of inducing panic and false alarm against the Carroll’s, and a charge of perjury against Liz Carroll for allegedly making false statements to the Grand Jury. Prosecutor’s are expecting that they will be filing murder charges, but filed the voluntary manslaughter charge in order to be able to hold the Carroll’s.

More details about the murder. Allegedly Marcus was bound with a blanket with his hands behind his back. The blanket was secured with packing tape. He was then put into the closet. Allegedly this wasn’t the first time he had been bound with the blanket, though it was the first time he was put into the closet.

Allegedly several trips were made to the burn site, to continue the burning and then at some point the remains were gathered up and taken to the river and dumped.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/08/29/fiesel.html

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/9756535/detail.html

There is much more in the video clips than there is in the written articles.

More details about the allegations of domestic violence and the treatment of the children in the home, came out in the custody hearing for the 4 biological children today.

Also allegations that Liz and David Carroll “have consistently failed to accurately report the number of persons living in their home (to the Clermont County Department of Job and Family Services), thus falsely receiving thousands of dollars from the government.”
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/NEWS01/308290016/1056

A poem by L. Wilson for Marcus over at From Whispers To Roars 

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What the Carroll’s were paid to provide care for Marcus? $1000 per month.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060831/COL05/608310319/1009/EDIT

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David and Liz Carroll have been indicted on 7 felony charges in Clermont Co. the county in which it is believe that Marcus lost his life. The indictments are for murder, involuntary manslaughter, kidnapping, felonious assault, and three counts of endangering children. David Carroll is also charged with gross abuse of a corpse.

http://www.middletownjournal.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2006/09/06/mj090706fieselweb.html

Documents were given to the press about how the Carroll’s presented themselves to Lifeway. Amy Baker was one of the references they used.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/09/05/marcus_late.html

Donna Trevino, mother of Marcus Fiesel has filed a lawsuit against David and Liz Carroll, Butler Co. Commissioners, Butler Co. Children’s services, Lifeway for Youth, and Amy Baker.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/09/05/fiesel.html

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Pointing fingers and what can be done for prevention.

http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060906/EDIT/609060390/1075/Local

The right to sue.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060907/EDIT01/609070315/1090/EDIT

18 fragile bone fragments are what have been found of what are believed to be Marcus Fiesel’s remains. Coroner O’Dell Owens says the fragments were small enough to fit in the palm of one hand. Coroner Owens says the fragments were from the wrist and orbital bones and there was enough growth plate there to determine they were from a child 3-5 years in age. Some clothing fragments and button material were also found and soil samples indicated that gasoline had been used in the burning, which matched witness statements.

Authorities are still searching the river area for any additional remains.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/09/07/owens.html

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060907/CINCI/60907005

Coroner Owens mentioned that we should keep all of the children in mind and he discussed the case of Milton Baker, a little 7 year old boy who was allegedly beaten to death by his mother’s boyfriend. Milton Baker was beaten and hospitalized shortly before the search for Marcus Fiesel was begun. He was being treated for severe head injuries and multiple fractures and it was never thought he would survive. He did later die in the hospital. Fred Johnson, 35, has been charged with the murder.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/08/12/beaten_death.html

Two little boys, different homes, different circumstances, different lives. Their commonality is that both of their lives were lost due to an action or inaction of an adult who was supposed to be responsible for their care.

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One step being taken is that the Hamilton County Clerk of Courts is compiling a database of the names of foster parents so that if they are arrested in Hamilton County their names will be tagged and a notification can be made.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060912/NEWS01/609120376

That is a good first step toward the protection of children in Hamilton Co. The irony is that Marcus was placed by Butler Co. and resided in Clermont Co. The article doesn’t indicate if the foster parent names they are collecting are only residents of Hamilton Co., placements made by Hamilton Co. (as an example- in foster care placements made by Hamilton Co. the foster care parents may actually reside in another county as Marcus did) or whether foster care parents who are taking foster children from other counties are being included.

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Amy Baker will be in court on Monday for a custody hearing to try to regain her children. Children’s protective services state that the Carroll’s and Baker subjected their children to domestic violence. It is reported that Baker is now jobless and homeless.

wcpo.com                          news.enquirer.com

A former Butler County ombudsman speaks out about the Butler County Children’s Protective Services Board. According to her, during her employment she made a number of suggestions for changes to the board, and to her knowledge none of them were ever implemented.

A Reverend representing the board made the statement “Marcus Fiesel will not be the last child to die in Butler County.”

wcpo.com                         news.enquirer.com

The Reverend’s statement at first raised my anger. But he does have a point. No matter how careful the checks on persons applying to be foster parent, some things do not change. People do lie for their own benefit. So even a careful check of the person’s background may fail to reveal certain things about the person, because the agency doesn’t know to look (reportedly the medical submitted by the Carroll’s did not reveal that David Carroll had bipolar disorder). And no matter how clean the record, people do sometimes change or react badly over stressers in their life. There have been many lives lost in domestic situations from persons who were thought to be good parents, good husbands, all round good persons.

However, there are many things an agency can do. Through research on the background of the applicants  along with a prompt response to complaints, a prompt response to calls for respite for the foster parents, and a good system of checks and balances (which should be ongoing) for the foster home would help. Unannounced visits to the foster home. Better communication with the courts and other agencies who might come into contact with the foster parents.

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The custody hearing for Amy Baker’s children has been continued until next month. Reportedly the children are now being cared for by a court appointed legal guardian. Reportedly the hearing was continued because her husband Brian is wants a separate attorney for the case. The case has been continued until next month.

wcpo.com

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Information on the birth mother, Marcus and his siblings were removed from her twice. In court hearings over the last removal the attorney for the birth mother told the court that Trevino did want her other children back, but that she did not want Marcus.

news.enquirer.com

Liz Carroll’s murder trial is set for Jan. 22 in Clermont Co. and she has another hearing due in Hamilton County for the charges she is facing there.

David Carroll’s trial is also in Clermont Co. in February, he is also being tried in Hamilton Co. for the other charges.

fox19.com

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I seemed to have missed this before. It seems that prior to the gag order, a defense attorney made an allegation that Amy Baker may have had a major role  with the murder.

channelcincinnati.com

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David and Liz Carroll were not present at the hearings in Hamilton Co. on the charges of inducing panic, making false reports and perjury. But their attorneys were. They are petitioning the court requesting a change of venue and other motions.

Hearings on those motions will be held on Oct. 30 and 31 for David Carroll and Nov. 1 and 2 for Liz Carroll.

cincypost.com

I just hope the judge will keep in mind that the publicity on the case began when the Carroll’s requested help finding a child they knew wasn’t missing, and most of the media attention didn’t really begin until after Liz Carroll’s press conference. In other words, they requested the attention from the community. Now allow the community to follow through.  

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Prosecutors have said that Marcus was bound with the blanket before, but did not elaborate. Now they are saying “It became fairly routine for them to tie up Marcus with tape and a blanket and leave him in a closet while they did their daily chores,” “They also inflicted severe discipline on him.”

The bones that remained were so small and had been burned, Brown County Coroner has stated that it is questionable whether they will be able to obtain any DNA from them. Hamilton County is doing the testing and the report is expected sometime this week. However, Hamilton County Coroner has stated that DNA should not be a determining factor in the case, as there is a witness. And that some factors in her account have been proven, such as that gasoline was used in burning his body.

new.cincypost.com

Donna Trevino is going back to court to obtain custody of her other two biological children. The magistrate has ruled the hearing will be open to the public.

news.cincypost.com

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Dated Oct. 5   According to Amy Baker’s father,  the way that Amy Baker met the Carroll’s was when Clermont County approved Liz Carroll as the day care provider for Amy Baker’s children. Reportedly Brown Cty. also later approved the couple.

wcpo.com

Dated Oct. 13  The “star witness” Amy Baker was arrested in Brown Cty the last week of Sept. Allegedly she was drinking with a teen at the Brown Cty Fair. She was arrested and charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

wcpo.com

What I find especially interesting about those two articles, is that the first article is dated Oct. 5 and doesn’t mention the arrest at the Brown Cty fair which ended on the previous Sat. Sept. 30. Amy Baker’s father had said in the article that Amy was not doing well, I wonder if that was part of it.

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Liz Carroll has been ruled competent to stand trial in both Clermont Co. and Hamilton Co. Courts.

news.enquirer.com                          news.cincinnati.com

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The transcript to Liz Carroll’s Grand Jury testimony. In it she first tells the original story, then she appears to basically admits to the present allegations. She also made some allegations against Amy Baker.

wcpo.com (this is a .pdf document)

Though Carroll does appear to have made allegations about Baker, I do have to caution. Carroll did give two versions of what happened to the court, and both could not be true. So that should be considered when reading about the other allegations that she made.

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Liz Carroll’s attorney again asking for a change of venue. He is alleging that the media coverage of the Grand Jury testimony have made it impossible for Carroll to get a fair trial in Clermont County.

There is an interesting story about how the testimony came to be released to the media.

The Carroll’s are alleged to have wrapped Marcus Fiesel in a blanket and left him alone for a day and a half or two days while they went out of state. That is alleged to have occurred in Clermont County. David Carrolll is alleged to have taken the child’s body to Brown County and burned his body to ashes. Then Liz Carroll is alleged to have gone to a park in Hamilton and starting the chain of events that resulted in Marcus Fiesel being reported missing.

Because part of the alleged illegal actions happened in Clermont County and part in Hamilton County and part in Brown County, the trial was split with some charges being tried in Hamilton Co. and some charges being filed in Clermont Co.

As part of a defense strategy, the defense counsel in Hamilton Co. made a motion to the court to have Liz Carroll’s Grand Jury testimony thrown out. As a result, the Grand Jury testimony was entered into the public record.

Now the Clermont Co. defense is saying that the release of the Grand Jury testimony has prejudiced his client’s case and that she cannot get a fair trial in Clermont Co. Prosecution attorneys of course refute that. There is a gag order on the case in Clermont Co. but not in Hamilton Co.

news.enquirer.com

Personally, I came across this case following Liz Carroll’s public plea for information to find Marcus. Not because of the Grand Jury testimony. And I don’t live in either Hamilton Co. or Clermont Co. After it came to my attention I have followed the case and read many of the articles on it.

But I would hope that even after reading it, I would be able to still follow a trial, and make a judgement as to guilt or innocence based on what I heard in the trial testimony, since I tend to forget details a short while after I read them. Nor do I believe that I or anyone else would be likely to ignore evidence presented at trial, whether it was presented by the prosectution or the defense. And I don’t believe that I am the only person with that capability.

But I don’t live in Hamilton or Clermont County. So maybe they will bring the trial to my county. Maybe I could sit on jury. I could be fair!

Defense attorneys are supposed to work in their clients best interests. As the Hamilton County attorney put forth the motion which resulted in the Grand Jury testimony being placed in the public record, then maybe they should be looking at him as to whether he was working in his client’s best interest.

But his choice of a defense strategy and the Carroll’s decision to go with public statements over the disappearance of Marcus Fiesel should not prejudice the public’s right to a fair hearing and trial of the accused before a jury of their peers-  the same peers whose assistance they requested when they were allegedly attempting to cover up his murder.

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Both Clermont County and Hamilton County have ruled to allow the Grand Jury testimony. Hamilton County is also allowing the press conference in which Liz Carroll pleaded for help in finding Marcus to be entered into evidence.

wcpo.com    middletownjournal.com   news.enquirer.com

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Extensive coverage on the case, several of the TV stations have devoted special sections of their site to the trials of Liz Carroll and David Carroll and the search for justice for Marcus Fiesel’s death. In those sections will be extensive trial coverage.

Local 12 Live streaming video coverage, as well as community discussion.

WCPO Live streaming video coverage, as well as blogging the trial.

Channel 5 Live streaming video coverage as well as blogging the trial.

The crime was horrific, the trial will be difficult. May God be with the jurors as they listen to the evidence and testimony and bring justice for Marcus.

One of our own Bloggers who did extensive blogging on the Ricky Holland case will also be blogging the trial in The End of the Story

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State of Ohio vs. Liz Carroll The witnesses were heard, the evidence viewed. And a verdict has been reached.

On the charge of murder, the verdict is guilty. On the charge of manslaughter, the verdict is guilty. On the charge of kidnapping, the verdict is guilty. On the charge of felonious assault, guilty. On the three charges of endangering children, guilty. Sentencing to be held tomorrow.

wcpo.com                     wlwt.com          local12.com         

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During the sentencing phase more information came out about the defendant and allegations as to the  treatment of the children in the home. Liz Carroll spoke and denied all charges. The judge noted her lack of remorse for Marcus during the proceedings.

Sentencing: murder 15- life                                          manslaughter 10 years to be served concurrently    kidnapping 10 years to be served consecutively           felonious assault 8 years to be served consecutively                                                                     child endangerment 2 counts 8 years, one count is 5 years- to be served consecutively                   

concurrent means the time is to be served at the same time as other charges, consecutively means that the time is to be added on and to be served after the time for the other charges has been exhausted. Total 54 years to life.                    

wlwt.com          wcpo.com

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David Carroll entered a plea of guilty. The judge requested a statement about the events from him and in that statement he stated that he was present when Marcus was bound in the blanket. He also alleged that Amy Baker is more involved than what is known. He also alleged that Amy Baker threatened him and his family if they called the police and said that Amy Baker is the one who came up with the story about the disappearance and they went along.

The prosecutor pointed out that according to both Liz Carroll’s and Amy Baker’s statements, David Carroll is the only  one of the three who showed any concern for Marcus after they left.

The judge sentenced 15 years to life for the murder and 1 year for the gross abuse of a corpse.

wlwt.com                                                           wcpo.com 

local12.com                              news.comunitypress.com

     

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37 Comments

  1. Lisa Dickson said,

    August 29, 2006 at 5:35 pm

    Thank you for your concern and advocacy.

    I am a former foster child and current child advocate.

    The state that is top on my list of concerns right now is Nevada. Specifically Clark County foster care.

    Between 2001 and 2004, two children died every month while in the custody of Clark County Child Protective Services.

    The number of children dying from abuse and neglect in Clark County nearly tripled during the first six months of this year.

    In my opinion, this should be national news. Also, in my opinion, the reforms that they are currently proposing are the equivalent to putting a Band-Aid on a gaping wound.

    For more information, please visit my blog:
    http://sunshinegirlonarainyday.blogspot.com/

    Oh, and since we obviously share a similar vision and passion to speak out for children who cannot speak for themselves, particularly in the foster care system, please email me anytime.

    There is a link to do so at my web site: http://www.sunshinegirlonrainyday.com

    Lisa

  2. soobs said,

    August 30, 2006 at 2:10 am

    I’m wondering how any state, cannot make placement of children, it’s number one priority. Especially when they take children from their biological home for reasons of abuse or neglect, yet place them with foster parents who do the same. I understand, that perhaps there were no outward signs that this would happen, but it still devastates the community, all the same.

  3. Ananke said,

    August 30, 2006 at 12:21 pm

    I think Joe Deters said it best, “Some people are just evil.” I’ve been trying to decide which of their crimes was the worst, leaving him alone to die in that closet while they took a weekend trip, repeatedly burning his body like a piece of garbage or taking 10 days to come up with a story to cover up his death. It completely enrages me to think that anyone could treat a child this way and I can’t think of a punishment fitting enough for either of them.

  4. Stitches said,

    August 30, 2006 at 1:36 pm

    This story is so heart wrenching it simply overwhwelms me.

  5. Diane said,

    August 30, 2006 at 9:44 pm

    The thought of that small frightened boy dying alone in that closet makes me want to puke. He was just a baby…three years old! In my opinion there is no punishment severe enough for the likes of the people who did this to Marcus.

  6. Denise said,

    August 30, 2006 at 10:10 pm

    The one thing that I can say is it is a shame that there is so many people in this world that can be so Evil. I sat and cried when I had heard what had happened to little Marcus. This is a boy that was only 3 years old and had been through hell from the start. Did he even know what it was like to be loved? Or was he ever showed love? All the questions and no answers. I can only hope that ALL people that was involved will pay for this. From the Birth parents, to the people who placed him with these MONSTERS, to the family and friend, (girlfriend) that I think should be in the same amount of trouble. Because they all our guilty of letting this child live a life of HELL.

    Marcus your life was short and full of pain
    But you will never have to go through that again
    You are in very good hands
    You will be remembered by people that you did not meet
    Because you have touched our hearts so deep
    The system failed you for most of your life
    Now it is time for them to Make it right

  7. warm heart said,

    August 31, 2006 at 12:09 am

    R.I.P.

    MARCUS

  8. Rhonda V said,

    August 31, 2006 at 2:19 am

    Poor little Marcus never had a chance because of the monsters that live upon us. it’s so sad How a child could be mistreated like that. They need to get the dealth penalty and their rights taken from them. I can’t believe the live in girl friends inocent either she should serve some prison time for the lies. and with holding evidence. now you can be at peace little Marcus….

  9. wilma said,

    August 31, 2006 at 5:05 pm

    I pray for all the Marcus’s out there that are abused.The laws must be changed.Every day a child is murdered from abuse.These monsters must be stopped.If they are caught and charged,Don’t put them back on the streets again.Keep them locked up forever.Put then in prison,with other inmates.Have them wear a shirt that says I kill children.That should save tax payers money.

  10. Deborah Bryant said,

    August 31, 2006 at 8:23 pm

    The death of little Marcus is another example of the Monsters that walk, live and breathe amongst us and call themselves human beings. When I think of what that poor baby must have went through, being bound and locked in a dark, hot closet, It evokes emotions in me that I can’t express, namely deep sorrow.
    It evokes rage in me when I think about how the foster parents of Marcus preyed not only upon an innocent child, but how they preyed upon public decency and sympathy. How once again child killers have misused public trust and sympathy to buy time for their heinous crimes. I am just afraid that the next time someone’s child legitimately turns up missing that the public is going to become apathetic ,and withhold their help and support, due to all of these monsters who are falsely using the public and media to support their twisted thinking and actions!

  11. angela said,

    September 2, 2006 at 1:17 pm

    I live in Cincinnati, minutes from the park where hundreds searched for Marcus. I am just sick that the girlfriend will not be charged. She was there when he was restrained, she attended the reunion with the Carrolls knowing Marcus was in that closet, and she took David Carroll to the spot where his body was burned. The prosecutor’s office said they had to make “a deal with the devil” to get justice for Marcus. I wish they had bargained for lighter charges instead of allowing her to walk altogether. This whole city is torn apart.

  12. Sophia said,

    September 2, 2006 at 10:09 pm

    Amy Baker is certainly as guilty as the Carroll’s in Marcus torture and ultimate death. I don’t care that she took the police where Marcus could be found, she should be held as accountable as they are. To let her walk – well, they might as well start the paperwork for the witness protection program because I don’t think she’ll survive a day when this is all said and done.

  13. September 3, 2006 at 12:37 am

    I feel that Amy Baker is just as culpable as the Carroll’s if she knew that Marcus was in the closet when she left to go to the reunion. And I strongly wanted her arrested for accomplice or something. However, according to Deters, if she had not come forward, they had no proof that the Carroll’s had done anything to Marcus or even to the fact that Marcus was dead. Reluctantly, I decided that if my only choices were to be charging the Carroll’s and Baker getting off- or all three getting off- then I guess I would prefer that the Carroll’s be arrested. As for Baker, her friends, her family, and everyone she will meet in the near future will know that she walked out of that house and left that little boy in the closet and did not tell anyone. And they will know that after he died, she still didn’t tell, and she didn’t tell for weeks. She may not go to prison, but I have a feeling she will pay. Probably in ways that we wouldn’t even think of.

  14. Icaretoo said,

    September 4, 2006 at 2:41 am

    Amen to Homesweethome’s Sept 3rd entry! May the memories of the atrocities of which she was a part of NEVER leave her mind for one second. She could have gotten away from the Carrolls before Marcus was dead and gone straight to the police, but she didn’t. She didn’t go to the police after he was dead, but instead chose to suggest a place to burn his remains. She is as evil as they are!!

  15. Tricia said,

    September 5, 2006 at 11:19 am

    I,at first got really upset that the biological mom is sueing. The thought that came to mind first was ” shes wanting to get money for not caring for her son.. ” But then , you know.. someone must pay for their negligence.. The mother gave him up for him to have a better life… Someone didnt do their job good enough to thoroughly take the extra moment to make sure they(Carrols) are suitable to have that boy. Their error got the lil guy killed.. Theres not a moment that Marcus isnt thought of.. My heart is grieving bad. I hope that after all is done.. I find out some how.. Marcus fell and thats how he died.. I hope it was a sudden death.. not for his last days to be bound in a closet alone.. I didnt know that lil guy, but I love him like he was family.. I have to keep telling myself.. He’s in a better place.. He’s with the angels..
    Does anyone know anything about Marcus’s father.. Where is he.. does he even know he had a son. I can be notified at down.n.dirty@fuse.net
    again, someone must pay for not doing their job right with a 3 year old boy..
    Amy Baker reguardless will pay for not stoppig the lil guy from being home alone. What kind of female can she be.. Moved in with a guy when he was living with his wife..? That there alone shows no morals.. no respect.. .but trash. I pray shes steril .. Her children would suffer for her wrong doings.. Which is sad, because they would be innocent to.
    Anyone can e-mail me.. I will reply..

  16. Kelly said,

    September 5, 2006 at 5:55 pm

    I am really upset that the mom is filing suit on behave of Marcus. If she would of have paid more attention to him he would not be dead. She didnt give up custody because she wanted a better life for Marcus. She had to give up custody because she didnt pay attention to him. She let him fall out a window and then let him wander the street.

  17. TRUTH said,

    September 6, 2006 at 3:47 am

    Is everynody sleep. Those demons didn’t lock that bot in a damn closet.

    They killed him and burned his body-evidence. You are all going to get yours.

    🙂

  18. Floella Marlow said,

    September 7, 2006 at 3:02 am

    First of all, I live in Ky and have been following this story from day one with a broken heart. I cannot imagine how anyone can do to a child even half of what they have done to little Marcus. And I cannot believe the gumption they have to appeal to the public the way they did knowing that he would never be coming home. There should be a better way to check out the lifestyles of foster parents than what they have now. People that deserve children and would be really good parents have a very hard time getting children and people like the Carrolls can get them as easy as going to the grocery store. They should have to suffer severely for what they did and they will, in this life and the next one. And the girlfriend should have to pay to because she knew what was going on and didn’t tell. And in my opinion, the birth mother, and that’s all she was, should not be able to gain from the death of Marcus because she was no better than the Carrolls in that she didn’t love him and care for him either. He was taken from one hell and thrown into another one. Where is the justice in that? Children are abused and neglected daily and thrown just wherever they land and it’s not right. Marcus is an angel now and is finally home where he belongs, but he should have been given a better chance at life on earth than what he had. I can feel the pain and the fright that he must have felt and it tears me apart to think that all the Carrolls may get is jail time. I hope the people in Clermont County who serve on this trial will be fair and real justice will be served. And the child care services who dealt with Marcus should have to account for their actions in his case and all the other children’s cases that they have placed.

  19. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 1:41 am

    May little Marcus rest in peace and the evil Neanderthals who killed him burn in Hell. David and Liz Carroll should get the death penalty for what they did to little Marcus.

  20. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 1:49 am

    I think David and Liz Carroll should be both stretched out on a large dining room table and big leaves placed between the table while they’re stetched out on it (just like how they tortured people in ancient Egypt). They deserve it for what they did to little Marcus.

  21. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 1:54 am

    I think Amy Baker is also to blame for Marcus’s death since she arranged the Carrolls adopting the boy. We should stretch her out on the dining room table after we stretch the Carrolls out on the dining room table. if nothing is done with her, other innocent childen will be killed by abusive foster parents in the Greater Cincinnati area. she should be fired and criminally charged. She is to be compared to Mariel Plummer, a social worker in the Law & Order SVU season 5 episode Careless who was prosecuted after she allowed a 6 year old African-American boy named Jamie Semple to be murdered by his abusive foster parents and the Carrolls real life versions of the abusive foster parents in that Law & Order: SVU episode. I am glad marcus’s biological mom is suing her and the foster care agency. She deserves justice!

  22. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 1:55 am

    Death penalty for David and liz Carrol! Justice for Marcus!

  23. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 1:57 am

    You’re in heaven now, little Marcus. those evil foster paents who murdered you and burned your little body will be stretched out on the dining room table, beheaded, and burned at the stake. They will pay dearly for what they did to you.

  24. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 2:08 am

    I hope joe Deters gets those evil Neanderthals convicted and gives them the death penalty. They deserve it!

  25. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 2:12 am

    Correction-Amy Baker was the Carroll’s live-in girlfriend, not a social worker. Still, she allowed the Carrolls to kill little Marcus and even helped them. she did nothing to help little Marcus. She should be stretched out on a dining room table, beheaded, and burned at the stake just like David and Liz Carrol.

  26. Mike said,

    September 12, 2006 at 2:13 am

    Or maybe we can do a Vlad The Impaler and impale David and Liz Carroll and Amy Baker on wooden sharpened stakes. They suffocated little Marcus in a closet, burned his body, and covered up the crime. They deserve horrible painful deaths for what they did to that little boy.

  27. Sandy said,

    September 14, 2006 at 4:50 pm

    Why have we not seen a picture of Amy Baker, I personnally would like to see her face. I have kids, I want to keep them away from her. I want to know what see looks like because she is just a guilty as they are.

  28. Sandra Cooper said,

    October 27, 2006 at 1:57 pm

    This horrible thing,happened to such an innocent baby.My heart is still broken,all the children in foster care are at risk.No one is really loving them like a true parent.I pray everything and everyone who knew he was in danger gets something for them doing nothing.I am a mother of a child with disabilities,my greatest fear is if something happened to me,they would be in the care of cps.There are no agencies available to parents that will truely help.They are there but believe me,they do not want to help,they only will do what is easiest for them.Its big business to take kids from parents,instead of giving suport in their home enviroment.They get much more to take a child away then help families in crises.It seems to me they have become emlpoyment agencies,with no regard for the children they serve.

  29. Adhd said,

    December 28, 2006 at 10:48 pm

    Excellant insight look forward to reading more very soon!

  30. Know Things said,

    January 9, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    I know some of the Carroll Family (the good side) like his father and people on that side of the family and (the bad side) like his Mother and his stepfather. I feel after reading everything written and seeing what others have said Dave Carroll Jr., Liz Carroll, Amy Baker, should receive life with no possibility of parole or death penalty. Dave Carroll jr.’s Mother, stepfather, Liz Carroll’s mother, Amy Baker’s parents all should receive NO LESS than 25 years. They all knew this baby was dead before the Scam was started. Liz even told the grand jury she dropped Marcus off at HER MOTHER’s while they went to Kentucky AND picked him up late the next night. They never mentioned Marcus to their relatives in KY. and they told their other kids Marcus was with his parents that weekend. There is another relative (Cherise Atkins) who is Dave Jr. Step-sister she uses the name (momof3) on courtTV.com blogs of the 133 posts she has made on there she seems like a nutcase also from what I have read. I wouldn’t know her personnally so I can’t say which side of the family she best fits but I do know the good side wishes she would go away and stop posting on ANY blog for she knows NOTHING as fact. She claims to have seen Marcus once or twice in her life. Then you get to the Carroll’s Children and AMy Baker’s Kids Those kids need to be moved out of the state if not the country and NO WAY GIVEN TO ANYONE RELATED TO ANY OF THEM That is the only chance those kids will have in life now. Can you imagine living with their grandparents and telling them mommy and daddy were wonderful parents but will never be back in your life because the courts found them guilty. I am sure they will explain how they were framed when they get older This I have to laugh at. Anyone else related needs to be neutered or spayed to keep from spread this seed of evil. I am so angry they didn’t charge AMY BAKER i need to stop typing.

  31. SC said,

    January 10, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    As someone who grew up with Liz and her sister in Massachusetts, no one here is surprised about this. The shock is that she was ever allowd to become a foster parent! Perhaps someone could alert the State or News Stations to contact the Jerry Springer Show or Ricki Lake Shows for the footage of these 2 sisters in action! That’s right, they made an appearance on the talk show circuit. I hope they get the snot beaten out of them in prison and when they are sentenced…fry them. As for the ‘girlfriend’ that has yet to be charged…please have her sterlized. It’s the least the state could do.
    Unbelievable!

  32. January 10, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    Do you happen to have the approximate dates they did the shows?

  33. SC said,

    January 11, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    I asked a few people and we believe it was around ’96-’98 that they were on one of those shows. It was one of those shows about 2 girls (in this case sisters) fighting over the same boy. Which came as no surprise.They craved the spotlight. I have been reading the articles on this case and this family is re-hashing all of the same stories that they claimed through childhood….the mental problems, abuse, medical ailments…the works. How can someone claim to be mentally unstable from middle school to high school and then have the balls to be a foster parent?? The live-in girlfriend situation is not surprising either…given the historyof them that we recall. I don’t want to come off as bashing, but myself and others here are baffled at the fact that she was okayed to be a foster parent.
    And there is no surprise that her mother made the statements she did about people shouldn’t be pointing the finger at Liz and her husband. Liz did not fall far from the tree. My heart aches for the poor child, he never had a chance with any parents he was with, apparently.

  34. January 11, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    Do you know what name Liz Carroll would have used on the show/shows?

  35. February 27, 2007 at 7:06 pm

    The post has been updated. New information can be found at the very bottom of the post.

  36. Eric said,

    March 5, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    Very sad. I know as a parent of an autistic boy how stressfull it can be. Most parents are in shock, but would rather lose a limb or two than part with their child. I have to think that these people who did the crime were probably mentally ill.
    Poor little Marcus…god bless him.

  37. Delia Morris said,

    December 15, 2007 at 2:16 am

    I hope these revolting people are not going to use the excuse of his autism as a defence to this. My son has autism, he is highly sensitive and hates being left alone, let alone treated so callously.

    I have also been a foster mother, not all of us are cruel and uncaring to those in our care, mine is still here and he is 22 years old.

    These people should never get out.


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